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Westfield Asks Outdoor International Market to Leave

Find out why Westfield Wheaton is telling the market to find another location before October.

After Sept. 30 the International Outdoor Market will no longer be in its usual place of business.

According to Market Manager Lindsey Johnson, Westfield Wheaton requested closing the market to provide additional parking space for the Costco that will be opening in October.

“Given what we have done to promote the market, I am disappointed we have to shut it down,” Johnson said. “We were building something that we thought was going to stay for years to come… However, this is the way it has evolved.”

Providing the city and the wider DC area with the opportunity to sell and buy cheap goods, the market moved twice before settling in for the past two years at the Westfield Wheaton mall parking lot near the Westfield North office building.

Johnson received an official letter from mall management last Monday notifying him that the market needed to be closed by the end of this month. Mall management searched around for an alternate location, even sending in a request to use Parking Lot 13 in downtown Wheaton near the Mid-County Regional Services Center, according to Johnson. But it was denied by the Montgomery Parking Lot District, he said, on the grounds that it would negatively impact the area and its businesses.

Patch made several attempts to contact mall management via phone and email to confirm this, but no response was made.

Johnson is currently looking for places to relocate the market, including the Montgomery County Fairgrounds in Gaithersburg. However, he and the majority of the vendors would like to stay in Wheaton.

The market's assistant manager, Wayne Woodruff, said that closing down the market would hurt not only the Wheaton economy but the vendors as well.

“The market has become a cultural mecca of different nationalities that come here to sell and meet people,” Woodruff said, adding that market management prides itself on “providing an opportunity to create jobs” as well as offering customers a chance “to purchase needed items at reasonable prices.”

Several vendors expressed disappointment after hearing the news.

Jean George has been with the market for about a year. “It sucks,” she said when asked what she thought about having to relocate. “Every time you find a place they close it down.”

Another vendor, Kurt Williams, who has been selling DVD’s at the Wheaton market for about three months, described working at flea markets as a “nomad business.” 

“You are here today and gone tomorrow,” Williams said. "Any time a flea market closes it’s bad…It defeats a purpose; it hurts the area and takes out the money.”

News of the market closing down hasn’t reached many in the Wheaton community yet, and the vendors only found out Saturday.

Brenda Terrell Jones, 65 and retired, drives out every weekend to the market. “Closing the market down would be a tragedy,” she said after learning Sunday that it would be shut down.

Jones said she would tell everyone on her street that the market is closing in hopes of changing the outcome.

Johnson will continue to notify vendors and customers this upcoming weekend. He is also going to submit another request to use Parking Lot 13 on Sundays in hopes that the Parking Lot District will reconsider. He believes it would have minimal impact on the area since most businesses are closed that day.

“The best alternative is to keep it in Wheaton, he said. “However, we will try to make the best of the situation and find another location.”

Wheatoner September 19, 2012 at 02:14 pm
Thank God. The market was a blight and emblematic of the things we need to get rid of if there's any hope of turning Wheaton into a more upscale desirable location. I say good riddance. This news, the County’s more aggressive stance against the disruptive bars in the triangle and the new apartments going in on Georgia all portend well for our future.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin September 19, 2012 at 03:32 pm
What are they complaining about? According to Obama they didn't build it.
Malcolm Wilson September 19, 2012 at 03:47 pm
can we work on the "island" beggars now? Every island between Univ-Ga and Univ-VM is occupied sun up to sun down and weekends. Waiting for a turf war to break out.
Commentous September 19, 2012 at 04:53 pm
I can't say that the people in the median enhance the neighborhood, but my bigger concern is the fact that some of them go right up to your window. It's totally unsafe for the requestors, especially when the light changes and they are standing in a lane. Most don't do this, but some do.
As for the market, I really don't have much of a direct comment because when I drove by, I never saw much of interest to me so I didn't go. Also, with the plethora of dead retail space in Wheaton, I'd rather frequent mom and pop stores than a weekly market. For the same reason, even though the food trucks may be tasty and I often like them downtown where I work, I'll generally favor restaurants around Wheaton until we have less "for lease" signs everywhere. In the end, I don't mind the market or the food trucks, but I'd like to see Wheaton's permanent retail stores grow and prosper first.
Jeff Takahashi September 19, 2012 at 07:36 pm
With Wheaton's demographics, I find it hard to believe they can ever become a more upscale area. Even after Silver Spring has gone through so much development, it's demographics hasn't changed much.
Asti September 19, 2012 at 07:39 pm
Stop blaming Obama for everything. You just disgusted me. Don't you have any thing to say nice about this President.
Jeff Takahashi September 19, 2012 at 07:39 pm
Not that I'm saying that Wheaton won't attract any upscale retail/commercial establishments, but for Wheaton itself to become upscale...
Elizabeth Chaisson September 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm
We need to be more inclusive. If there is a desire and demand for the flea market, then we should try to accommodate it in Wheaton or nearby. There are plenty of other empty parking lots on the weekends that could host it: Blueridge Ave parking lot, Glenmont Shopping Cntr parking lot, Einstein HS, Northwood HS, etc.
AntonFisher September 19, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I echo your comment wheatoner
Ktown mom September 20, 2012 at 12:22 am
Is this closure because of the proposed Costco gas station? Is the new proposed location? This lot is on the other side of the mall from Costco.
James Bettis September 20, 2012 at 11:29 am
The few times I walked through I saw nothing international about the market. Just cheap cleaning supplies, knock-off DVDs, and hand-me-down denim for a fee. It's better off gone.
ED September 20, 2012 at 01:00 pm
I recently saw a drawing of a plan for the Costco gas station. On the plan I saw, the gas station will be close to where it was previously proposed, but moved closer to the Costco building itself - just outside of the 300 foot limit from Kenmont Pool, but closer to the homes and Stephen Knolls school.
Commentous September 20, 2012 at 01:13 pm
ED--Would you know if the drawing is available online? I'm also curious about the entire parking lot plan. I wonder whether the spaces will be re-marked and made narrower to accommodate more cars in the available space.
ED September 20, 2012 at 03:50 pm
I don't know if the drawing is available online. I received it from a friend. I doubt the spaces will be narrower - when Westfield requested their parking waiver, they requested a reduction of required parking spaces, partly because the parking spaces will need to be wider to accommodate the larger shopping carts that Costco has. Please don't ask me to explain that logic.
Amanda Bernhardt September 21, 2012 at 12:08 am
Not sure how I feel about this. It's a shame to see something unique to the community get replaced with another generic big-box store, but that's the price we pay for more upscale retail. I do hope the vendors find another location...it's got to be stressful to be in such a nomadic line of work.
AntonFisher September 21, 2012 at 01:38 am
Nothing was unique about this flea market. It was full of cheap knockoffs. Wheaton has no attachment to this unsightly market. If it was a true international market, fresh market, or even used collectibles market, then we may miss it.
Ktown mom September 21, 2012 at 02:06 am
Did you say that the gas station is going to be closer to homes and the school for disabled kids? Where is the logic in that?
ED September 21, 2012 at 02:45 am
This is not about logic, this is about money.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin September 21, 2012 at 11:01 am
Crime can be unique to community also.
Commentous September 21, 2012 at 11:16 am
I think the County Council minutes may express their logic for approving the border they passed.
ED-Thanks for the parking info. WMATA will probably be happy if mall parking turns scarce. I have a feeling that many drivers currently park at the mall for free and walk to the Metro. For the last decade at least (since I've been taking Metro), the mall certainly had an overabundance of spaces. If spaces start getting scarce at the mall, they may enforce towing, which, in turn, will lead to more Metro drivers using the facility. This is pure speculation on my part. Maybe all Metro drivers already park at the Metro parking deck and Westfield has cars towed regularly, but I'd be surprised if that were the case.
Commentous September 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I don't think it's a shame to have Costco as "another generic big box store" in Wheaton. We have Best Buy, which is on its last legs as a corporation, and the mall as for big retail establishments. In addition, without Costco coming, I think the mall would have taken much longer to develop into a place where many people shop regularly. Not long ago, it was a very depressing place to go and had many shops that turned over quickly and lots of unused space. From talking with some managers in a couple of the mall's newer not-big-box establishments, they are still doing middling sales but hope that Costco can help them and came here, in part, because of Costco's decision to open here.
The outdoor market has to be somewhat nomadic to keep overhead costs well below what others pay to have storefronts. It's difficult to find space that is (1) cheap (2) promises to remain cheap for a long time, and (3) welcome on the same property as other retail establishments. Still, there are other places available for an outdoor market if the owners/costs allow it. Elizabeth Chaisson mentioned some possibilities. The Staples-side spaces of Glenmont shopping center are often empty. The BB&T building parking lot (Georgia and Blueridge) is often empty on weekends too. The County, I'm guessing, does not want school parking lots potentially littered over the weekend.
ED September 21, 2012 at 01:45 pm
Commentous - Westfield received $ 6 million dollars from the County in 2003 to build the Macy's parking garage. In exchange for this money, Westfield agreed to allow 400 parking spaces in the garage to be used by "walk-off" residents. Westfield has the right to move these spaces from the garage, but I believe they are committed to providing these spaces until 2018. I'd have to look up the exact dates, but the idea was that for $ 6 million dollars, residents/visitors could park in the Mall and walk to Metro or downtown Wheaton. Westfield was supposed to have a sign on the garage letting people know about this agreement, but I have never seen it. I have heard that parking is enforced in some parts of the Mall - I don't know if cars are towed or just ticketed.
Commentous September 21, 2012 at 04:28 pm
Thanks for the info. If that's true, I've wasted a lot of money over the years parking at the Metro when the weather was bad or when I had to run errands right after work (so I couldn't walk the 15-20 minutes home). I'll have to contact the mall and see if they know anything about it; I'll come back here if I find out anything specific.
ED September 21, 2012 at 05:50 pm
Commentous - that would be great. It will be interesting to hear what the Mall says about the parking and their agreement with Montgomery County.
Commentous September 21, 2012 at 08:27 pm
There may be an agreement, but I just called the mall, and the people working in the mall's management office weren't aware of it.

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